I got bored and decided to take advantage of the replay feature to study, well, what the title says.
Results for mining 8 Mineral Fields
1 Worker per Mineral Field=350/minute, or 43.75/minute per Worker
2 Workers per Mineral Field=700/minute or 43.75/minute per new Worker
3 Workers per Mineral Field=800/minute, or 12.50/minute per new Worker
4 Workers per Mineral Field=830/minute, or 3.75/minute per new Worker
1 MULE=180/minute, 160/minute if not deployed optimally
As a result, if you have 16 Workers mining, you could do one of the three following
Get OC(550 cost, 640ish if you include time building it)->180 minerals/minute
Get 8 Workers(400 cost, 500ish if you include Supply)->100 minerals/minute
Get 16 Workers(800 cost, 1000ish if you include Supply)->130 minerals/minute
Put simply, once you get to 16 workers mining, you'd be better off stockpiling for a second OC than flooding the Mineral Line with additional workers, unless you are planning on expanding soon, whereupon you should... stockpile for an OC anyways. It could be argued that getting extra SCVs gives you more insulation from raids, but again, OC would provide better insulation there.
That said, you still gotta have 6 SCVs for Gas and a couple of SCVs for building/repairing crap.
i have no idea where you got these numbers but it is a proven that 3 scv's per mineral node is the most optimal
in essence 1st scv mines 2 wait
1st scv finishes and is in transit to the base while 2nd starts to mine 3rd still waiting
1st scv enters base, 2nd scv finishes and is in transit, 3rd starts to mine
1st scv exits base and is in transit to mineral node, second enters base and third finishes and is in transit to base
then the cycle repeats.
8 mineral nodes x 3 workes is 24 workers on minerals and 2 gas x 3 workers is 6 for gas
30 workers is the max income before diminishing returns starts because then every worker after 3 has to wait stagnant
and 1 worker will always be waiting.
and mules are good becasue they carry more so optimally the best thing to do is 29 workers and 1 mule since the mule has to follow the same mineral gathering physics as the scv and has to wait in line. (the last part im not sure about if they dont wait in line to mine then 30 scv's + mules is optimal )
Nov 19th 2010, 07:52:00
God I wanna bone Kerplode soooooo bad....
wodan you are completely right, ive heard of players expanding right after they hit 16 workers on minerals, basically a "macro style" and you hit 200/200 REALLY fast. Try it ingame! The only issue is surviving the other player's 1 base build until your expand kicks in.
Id say its easier for terran than protoss since you can build an OC inside your base and defend it just like additional workers. For us protoss we lose a defenders advantage of our ramp. To make up for this I build mostly zealots+stalkers and delay my 2nd gas. Its funny how 1 zealot per 4 stalkers can hold off almost all early concussive pushes. Once stim pops up you have trouble but by then your expansion has kicked in and you have 4 gate+1 robo to produce from.
Basically, EXPAND A LOT its awesome!!!!?!@#!#!
edit: kozmo you're wrong lol
2 scvs mines optimally, 3rd scv has diminishing returns (about 1/3 of the mining of each of the initial 2). On close mineral patches the 3rd scv actually gives 0 additional return.
Mules mine ontop of scvs, meaning a mule and an scv will mine at the same exact time. However mules will not mine ontop of each other, they have the same mining mechanics as scvs with each other. When one is mining the other will move to a different patch. Make sure you don't mule the same patch over and over or you will find yourself on 7 patches before your base mines out (less income later)
edit2: wodan you should do some math about how long it takes your OC to catch up since you essentially get immediate income from your scvs (albeit diminished) after your 16th scv on minerals. Your OC takes a long time to get running so if it was to stay in your base and not expand you would be worse off than making workers with the money. Btw after starting the OC start making workers again!!
I thought it's best to keep producing SCVs so that you can transfer them to the new expo ASAP.
I understand the diminishing returns on the main mineral line but at what point would you break even by stopping SCV production?
Each SCV that transfers to the new base presumably mines at the optimal rate until that base is saturated. So you have the marginal benefits of the SCVs at the main and then the immediate boost when they reach the new base.
Wait a sec there:
Do you guys wanna say that OC on 16, then OC on another 550 minerals (around 25) then on about 34, then 43 - and so on - would be better in the income overall than making more SCVs ??
If you have the time, could you get data on having 2.5 (and 2.25) workers per mineral field?
The best way is to do both. There shouldn't be competition. If there is, you can cut back on production of units for a little.
Mar 9th 2011, 23:19:20
"I make poor decisions"
"Must change game to favor me when I make such"
how many people here actually stop building at 16 scv? It seems interesting to know that if you can get almost the same minerals per min with 16 to 24 then that would be awesome