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wow thanks alot Timmay, i really hope they find a way to fix this.

considering that i live in new zealand, two small islands (in comparison to our neibour australia) and we can see the water level rising every year...

I see you didn't watch the speech at all. It's a long one, but it may be one of the most important ones you hear.

yea i havent yet i am currently waiting for it to load...

is there anywhere you can do a directly download the speech?

I have been a fan of this forum for a very long time. This forum has been very informative and entertaining in the long wait for sc2. I applaud the creators and members for their scope of knowledge, networked information, and whip-like humor. However, in the spirit of the rules of the forum, I would like to generate the discussion that this highly controversial and polarized argument be saved for a place and time that would generate purposeful dialogue. This video was posted not with the intent of drawing the community together in a meaningful, enlightening way. I believe this video was posted to promote, in an irresponsible manner, your views on world policies. I know it is in off topic; but you have to acknowledge the fact that this video will do no good and only serve to align members against one another. I respect your position as a moderator, but sometimes even those who look over others must too be checked. Please, for the good of the community with a voice, and for those of the community formerly myself without one, save the marketing of your ideology for a place at the very least where there is an agenda toward caucusing different schools of thought against one another in a prorespect, intellectual environment. I'm sorry this is my introduction; I am indeed here to indulge my passion for Starcraft. I look forward to interacting with the community I have stalked for so long from the shadows of anonymity; with up most regard for the rules of the forum.

In my opinion, it is much to early to make significant "evidence" that global warming is completely linked to CO2 emissions, but in the grand scheme of things, whats the wrong in trying to produce green and more eco-friendly energies? It seems like we don't have much to lose, and much to gain. Who really knows about anything, I do not take myself as an expert about the issue, but I support any attempts to keep our world cleaner, its not like it's hurting anyone. Correct me if my answer feels bland, but I'm not watching an hour and a half video.

@AVYZZYZ

ummmm.... this is off topic, and to be honest, you're new. You don't know the rules. If timmay truly thought this would be a problem, he would not have posted it.......

Have fun!

@ Griffith: there is significant evidence, its called the green house effect. the more CO2 there is in the ozone and atmosphere the more it will retain heat and the warmer it will get, this causes the water level to rise by melting the south pole and there is alot of evidence of this. there are the statistics of the temperatures of the last decade being the hottest since records began, the images of the south pole every year being reduced, there is evidence in china since the nothern plantations have dried up and there is no water.

there is evidence, oh and also higher temperatures means bigger stroms and more frequent strorms, so the hurricanes that hit america will be more frequent and stronger. It has happened before it will happen again.

AVYZZYZ:

If you want to discuss Starcraft, there are many specific categories to post in. This happens to be the one Off Topic section, and I felt that this topic would be an interesting one to talk about. The speech included a good share of humor as well as explaining scientific facts, which I thought would make for a good watch for anyone who has the time to view it.

To say that these kinds of topics would tear our community apart is wrong. In fact, the users I respect the most have a vastly different view on politics than I do.

Maybe your right. This is a topic I am very impassioned about. I overreacted. No disrespect. But in all sincerity, I do agree that DDT was a miracle chemical that despite its ban in the US, is still manufactured here for sale around the world. Hierocracy anyone? I think unbanning it would do the world good ten times over. But as far as the Lord’s science is concerned, maybe he should look less at historical persistence, and more to what can be scientifically observed here and now. Does he have an explanation for the melting of the polar ice caps? Or the changing Ph of our world’s oceans? How about the shift of Earth’s biomass into generalists like the jellyfish?

Also, I offer my sincerest apologies to Timmay; Thank you for helping me find a place in the community, even if I made a bit of an ass of myself first

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there is evidence, oh and also higher temperatures means bigger stroms and more frequent strorms, so the hurricanes that hit america will be more frequent and stronger. It has happened before it will happen again.

this was said after katrina hit and the next year, exactly how many cat. 4 or 5 hurricanes hit the US?
um.....0. The earth has been systematically increasing and decreasing in temperature since its creation. studies show that whenever theres a spike in heat throughout the course of THOUSANDS OF YEARS, the carbon emissions spike after the heat surge. so assuming there is an actual global warming scenario happening, its a gradual thing thats going to happen regardless of our carbon footprint.

now do i looooove a poluted earth? hell no! I have zero problems with finding better solutions to the way things are done. I have no problem driving a hybrid or any alternate fuel sources (when they become economically sound). the thing i have a problem with is when the entire nation wants us to spend billions of dollars trying to fix something that doesn't exist on the scale that people think it does when we could easily spend that money on feeding the poor or a public option for healthcare reform.

(Go Public Option!)

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Does he have an explanation for the melting of the polar ice caps?

He did. Clearly you didn't watch the full video considering when I posted it, which is very reasonable, but if you expect to debate against the video, you should watch it.

Or the changing Ph of our world’s oceans? How about the shift of Earth’s biomass into generalists like the jellyfish?

So out of the millions of factors that could be possibly effecting those events, you decided that some gas that makes up .04% of the Earth's atmosphere is most likely the one causing it?

I made a bit of an ass of myself first

You did not make an ass of yourself. I am glad you are willing to debate things.

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in the grand scheme of things, whats the wrong in trying to produce green and more eco-friendly energies? It seems like we don't have much to lose, and much to gain. Who really knows about anything, I do not take myself as an expert about the issue, but I support any attempts to keep our world cleaner, its not like it's hurting anyone.

I have no problems with finding renewable energies, reducing pollution, and lessening our dependence on fossil fuels, but I just want the market to do so without the government forcing them what to do. My biggest concern with any government legislation dealing with climate change is that they will pick the winners and losers of energy, not us. Even if humans were causing significant differences to the global climate, and they clearly are not, government solutions would not be the answer.

im done.

he is very much really speaking truth about it!

here in south florida its suppost to be cold, at 55 to 65 F*
but its freakin hot! only usually does it feel "cool"

EDIT: i feel sad for some reason! wow! theres only two choices to really choose!?

if we choose to waste money on finding a way to solve it!? we can screw up others! but maybe save the earth from global warming

but if we dont we could keep on going to our doom! its a scary and tense decision if you were to choose!?.............

EDIT2: hes got some really good points, and he brings out some critical points into this "DEBATE"

EDIT3: hes pretty funny....

EDIT4LAST1: even if we are not causing global warming! we should still do best not to litter, spill oil, ect...and come out with new ways of fueling our needs of energy!
i hope everything ends up well.

I don’t think his answer was satisfactory regarding the melting of the polar ice caps. He does provide excellent evidence that ice caps have been measured at levels higher then previously recorded. However, he sites studies that examined the thickness of ice during the winter, when ice caps are their largest. Now, there is some stigma of knowledge surrounding global climate change. The general trend science points to is warmer, however, you have to understand another facet of the same science acknowledges that although the set mean of temperature is to increase, the outlying ranges of temperature are growing more extreme. I live right on the ocean, and something incredible happened here, as well as in the Sacramento valley. Sacramento county has recorded the largest streak of high temperatures since record began. Even so, Sacramento valley experienced snow on the 7th. Consider this a microcosm of what is happening world wide. Although the ice caps grow larger during the winter, they also shrink to some 30% what is to be expected without climate change.

I think the road we should choose is the middle way. I think the nations have to come together and actively reduce not only carbon emissions, but in general stop externalizing the issue to things like cap and trade. At the same time, bringing nations together into cooperation would solve alot more then this one policy. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we play hardball, we need to start change from within as the world largest economy.

Thank you, Timmay, for this video. This subject means a whole lot to me, and further increases my belief in a non-man made global warming. From what I have studied, it seems the Earth has been cooling lately, and the Earth itself has cycles of warm and cold that it goes through. This man is one of my heroes.

By the way, I must say, his opening introduction was hilarious.

@Tide_of_Corn: Ya know, you are the only fella I know who knows global warming doesn't exist, yet you are for the public healthcare option. XD lol. Its just funny. (I am not for pub. healthcare, btw)